Comparing attitudes toward civil disorder, 2005 and 2010

I was looking at some stuff by Andrew Yeoman when I found this essay from 2005:

Despite the “anti-fascist” hysteria of the Left, the primary dangers of ethnic warfare and ethnic cleansing in the future of the US come from the threat of internecine warfare between the various minority groups. The Southwest, in particular, will likely be the scene of a bloody showdown between Hispanics, blacks and Asians. It is unlikely that a “white power” insurgency will emerge from the chaos. There is very little ethnic solidarity among whites, as it has never been necessary, given the historically majoritarian and advantaged position of whites. Also, there is far too much disagreement among whites on other matters. Does anyone really believe that the Jerry Falwell Right and the Michael Moore Left will put aside their differences to follow David Duke into the Aryan Paradise? Most likely, whites will simply flee chaotic areas and take refuge in more remote areas (recall “white flight” from integration in the 1960s and 70s) rather than join the Nazis.

–that was 2005

Apr 09, 2010
When the sheriff’s department in Ashtabula County, Ohio, was cut from 112 to 49 deputies, just one vehicle was left to patrol the 720-square-mile county.
Asked what residents should do for protection, Common Pleas Judge Alfred Mackey replied, ” Arm themselves,” and added, “We’re going to have to look after each other.”
Area gun dealers and instructors told WKYC-TV, Cleveland, that they’ve noticed an uptick in sales and interest in self-defense classes.

Suffer These Crimes in Oakland? Don’t Call the Cops
Dozens of layoffs effective at midnight, barring last minute deal
Updated 12:17 PM PDT, Tue, Jul 13, 2010

Oakland’s police chief is making some dire claims about what his force will and will not respond to if layoffs go as planned.
Chief Anthony Batts listed exactly 44 situations that his officers will no longer respond to and they include grand theft, burglary, car wrecks, identity theft and vandalism. He says if you live and Oakland and one of the above happens to you, you need to let police know on-line.
Some 80 officers were to be let go at midnight last night if a last-minute deal was not reached.  That’s about ten percent of the work force.
“I came her e to build an organization, not downsize one,” said Batts, who was given the top job in October.

That deadline has been extended to 5 p.m. Tuesday. 
Here’s a partial list:

• burglary
• theft
• embezzlement
• grand theft
• grand theft:dog
• identity theft
• false information to peace officer
• required to register as sex or arson offender
• dump waste or offensive matter
• discard appliance with lock
• loud music
• possess forged notes
• pass fictitious check
• obtain money by false voucher
• fraudulent use of access cards
• stolen license plate
• embezzlement by an employee (over $ 400)
• extortion
• attempted extortion
• false personification of other
• injure telephone/ power line
• interfere with power line
• unauthorized cable tv connection
• vandalism
• administer/expose poison to another’s

Negotiations are going on at Oakland City Hall in the mayor’s office. 
Batts said the 80 officers slated to be laid off – mostly new  officers – are “pretty sad and pretty depressed,” and those feelings are  shared by the Police Department as a whole.
The Oakland City Council voted June 25 to eliminate the positions to help close the city’s $32.5 million funding gap.  According to the city of Oakland, each of the 776 police officers currently employed at OPD costs around $188,000 per year. Most of the officers who will be affected by the layoffs were on the streets of Oakland when Johannes Mehserle’s involuntary manslaughter conviction caused riots last Thursday.
The sticking point in negotiations appears to be job security. The city council asked OPD officers to pay nine percent of their salary toward their pensions, which would save the city about $7.8 million toward a multi-million dollar deficit. The police union agreed, as long as the city could promise no layoffs for three years. No dice, says city council president Jane Brunner.
“We wish we could offer them a three-year no layoff protection we just can’t financially. It would be irresponsible of us,” Brunner said. The city agreed to a one-year moratorium on layoffs, but it is not enough for the union.
The problem is money.  In the last five years, the police budget — along with the fire department budget — have amount to 75 percent of the general fund. After years of largely sparing those departments the budget ax, now it appears there are few other places to cut.
These are the last hours of negotiation and Brunner is hopeful that the city and police will find some sort middle ground.
“It’s been very good conversation and not a whole lot of grandstanding.” Brunner said. “There’s actually real conversations. Each side understands the problem,” she said.

First Published: Jul 12, 2010 1:27 PM PDT

It seems that Oakland hasn’t cut the officers yet, but they will have to cut them somewhere, eventually. The USA economy was running on empty for years; over the last few years, the engine has been coughing, and it’s clear to me that the wheels will stop turning.

Many people disagree: for example, at

MGLS wrote:

Predictions of collapse and race war have been made endlessly over the last few decades, and they never come true.
The most likely scenario is a slow decline, like that of the Roman Empire. The United States will become increasingly Brazilianized over time. There may be some sporadic rioting in the inner cities from time to time as in Detroit and Los Angeles, but there is not going to be any widespread organized violence. There is not going to be any collapse or race war.
Predictions of imminent collapse and race war are enormously detrimental to our cause. They breed fatalism and encourage people to disengage from the real world and just wait for the collapse. Once the predictions inevitably fail to come true, it creates a sense of despondency and betrayal in those who believed the predictions.
We must get past the mentality that a collapse and race war are imminent. They are not. The decline of our race is slow and gradual. If we are to reverse it, it will be through building a movement to secure racial preservation.


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