mittelwerk threatens cannibalism

I spent some time earlier this month getting threatened by someone who purports to drink human blood. John Robb deleted the original flame war, but due to the fact that the Internet works like a giant system of copying machines, the data was still out there.

I repost it here as a fascinating study in modern sociology.

mittelwerk said…

i don’t get why robb is lamenting the decline of the postwar middle class. they were largely a function of bretton woods — of trade imbalances, the wage-price spiral, massive corporatist expansion of government (hello, military-industrial complex). they were the first giant asset bubble — and as soon as they were popped they panicked and moved to the idiot right, in effect demanding financialization of the economy as a way to preserve their now unsupportable lifestyle.

“middle class” is also a lazy and ideological term in its own right, since in america it denotes cultural more than economic status. and its culture is that of the overconsuming, overpaid mediocrity. he’s the livestock in our bankster’s america, the kind that willingly gets on the plate and sprinkles himself with salt.

good riddance, bitch.
Reply Friday, 02 July 2010 at 03:55 PM

PRCalDude said in reply to mittelwerk…

“Good riddance to the middle class, Komrades. We must have permanent revolution through endless social upheaval. We are sure to benefit.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School
Reply Friday, 02 July 2010 at 04:41 PM

Crunchie said in reply to PRCalDude…

I guess the american kulaks have the same thing coming as the ukranian kulaks if the frankfurt schoolers have their way.
No wonder the germans were so scared of ye lot.
Reply Friday, 02 July 2010 at 04:55 PM

mittelwerk said in reply to PRCalDude…

i see you respond when called your by your real name, which is “livestock.”

is it any wonder that the middle class is dead, when white bread like you represent it?
Reply Friday, 02 July 2010 at 07:39 PM

mittelwerk said in reply to g48…

that’s the stupidest comment i’ve ever fucking seen — talking about “the frankfurt school” in the present tense, no less.

i’m really getting the impression now that the bulk of you, robb’s followers, are exurban fatboys with 4th-tier educations, toiling away patching cables in subbasements for price waterhouse for $12/hr.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 12:09 PM

g48 said in reply to mittelwerk…

Dude, learn to chill or take a pill. As it is, you’re near the top of the list to get banned from here as a troll. /ignore.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 11:34 PM

Frank said in reply to mittelwerk…

A “Joel Katz” denigrates the American middle class and calls them “livestock.” LOL.
Reply Friday, 02 July 2010 at 06:04 PM

John Walters said in reply to mittelwerk…

” he’s the livestock”

“good riddance, bitch”

Your Talmudic prejudice is showing.

https://uncontroversial.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/farrakhan-accuses-the-jews-and-their-organizations-of-hurting-blacks-and-calls-for-dialogue/

Interestingly, some of the middle class that you hate is black, and if you were to call them livestock, they would probably say that your ancestors owned the slave ships on which their ancestors were confined.
Reply Friday, 02 July 2010 at 07:38 PM

mittelwerk said in reply to John Walters…

“talmudic predjudice” huh?

again, you’re the reason your so-called class is for shit.

funny, but i personally don’t see you lasting for more than 2 minutes on the southside (where nation of islam hq is based) without your lunch money going to feed some middle-class blacks.
Reply Friday, 02 July 2010 at 07:44 PM

PRCalDude said in reply to mittelwerk…

Mittelwerk is probably a provocateur and is probably not actually Jewish because there’s no way anyone can embody this many stereotypes at once.

If not, I welcome our new Judenreich and look forward to being moved onto an autonomous kulak oblast. 2% of the population of the US will surely prevail against the other 98% just like in the Soviet Union (until 1938).
Reply Friday, 02 July 2010 at 09:36 PM

mittelwerk said in reply to PRCalDude…

and you’re not a stereotype? a closeted christian antisemite with a fetishistic appreciation of mass murder?

it’s hard seeing you so clearly: the goatee, the pastel polo shirts and dockers, the camry, the fat wife …

anything else you’re hiding in the closet?
Reply Monday, 05 July 2010 at 02:11 AM

PRCalDude said in reply to mittelwerk…

always remember. mittelwerk,,… you are the. sane one,,, everyone else. is crazy…
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 12:50 PM

Panamericana said in reply to mittelwerk…

Mit, should we go again into the fact that palestineans are semites too,
just please stop using the term anti-semite for your purposes, its intellectually unbearable for me,

sure you are finding it harder than last time you tried to troll this blog, aren’t you?
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 07:01 PM

josmitty said in reply to PRCalDude…

“there’s no way anyone can embody this many stereotypes at once. ”

You must not live in New York.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 05:26 PM

John Walters said…

On a techno-geeky note:

“Not only did we lose an untold number of jobs, we broke the chain of experience that is so important in technological evolution. As happened with batteries, abandoning today’s “commodity” manufacturing can lock you out of tomorrow’s emerging industry.”

Andy Grove, famously paranoid CEO of Intel, talks about technology manufacturing.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-01/how-to-make-an-american-job-before-it-s-too-late-andy-grove.html
Reply Friday, 02 July 2010 at 07:40 PM

mittelwerk said…

walters

so, what’s the white-supremacist vision for, uh, supremacy in the 21st century?

why don’t you gather up 10 or 15 of your followers and march on skokie, again? that got some good press ….

L … O …L …
Reply Friday, 02 July 2010 at 07:51 PM

abprosper said in reply to mittelwerk…

Your hatred of the Middle Class speaks ill of you mittelwerk. You may resent them being a buffer between the Elite and the Workers but its a silly resentment. Their values and “urge to ape their betters” (Note the scare quotes here) built modernity from the bones of the Middle Ages.

Arguably they and the working class are the most important classes, the rest — the rich and the poor being of middling use in the scheme of things.

Now as to you original question, the White Nationalists are doing fine. I would suggest they are decently well placed to survive any kind of social collapse. They have a ready made tribal identity, useful skills (many are in blue collar trades) experience with community building, experience with poverty and the ability to engage in effective violence.

They don’t need to be out and about fulfilling some prophesied Marxist Dialectic, they need only survive and as abhorrent as I find their POV, they are far better placed to do that than any Collegiate Marxist or Communist Remnant.

Reply Saturday, 03 July 2010 at 03:10 AM

mittelwerk said in reply to abprosper…

“They have a ready made tribal identity, useful skills (many are in blue collar trades) experience with community building, experience with poverty and the ability to engage in effective violence.”

well, with that skill set, there’s no reason they can’t be as successful as the jews.
Reply Sunday, 04 July 2010 at 01:24 AM

abprosper said in reply to mittelwerk…

Give them time as the only thing holding them back is a deep disdain for education and serious effort to marginalize them.

In time as things get worse, the numbers of these guys will increase and a lot of people who do not consider themselves “racists” will probably end up in bed with such groups anyway.

They will however be a lot more covert than the current groups. Quiet hate is a dangerous thing.

As for the “successful” Jews, well that is kind of a myth. While the total fertility rate in Israel is high, that is limited to essentially one small speck of land. The Jews have mostly been driven from Europe and assimilated in the US. Alan Dershowitz has written on US Jewry at some length if you are interested — the longish run, they are outnumbered, out bred and in time will may end up using their nukes, being assimilated or in another diaspora.

They will survive and prosper,by brains and grit but they won’t be the heavy hitters they are today (mainly with US aid) — interesting times

Reply Monday, 05 July 2010 at 10:01 PM

mittelwerk said in reply to abprosper…

i don’t really know what you’re talking about, since the white nationalists that self-identify are highly fragmented, have no coherent, indeed, rational ideology, and are constitutively stupid, poor, and rural. you’re talking about wannabe paramilitaries, who’ve been getting used and abused by this or that fringe republican faction for decades. then you seem to conflate them with mere racists — which is a different ballgame altogether. white racialist nationalism has no political power — it has to self-identify and proclaim itself. and why do you think they’re such champs at survival? that’s survival to you — subsistence (subsidized to you, bro, considering where most of them live) living, no class mobility, prison, extreme social dysfunction?
i don’t see how they’re any different from 3rd-generation-ghettoized/institutionalized urban blacks.

and are you out of your mind that you don’t consider jews to be a “successful” ethnic group? no offense, but this could only be said by someone who doesn’t spend a lot of time in major american cities. in the framework of this blog itself, which continually insists that former state functions are being supplanted by financial and legal forms of warfare or insurgency– jews must constitute the elite. if because of demographics and waning self-identification something like a “jew” ceases to exist, that could also be, because in the context modern liberalism, their victory is so complete that the older form of identity can fall away.

seems to me also that the jews embody many of the notions expressed here concerning resilience. survival over thousands of years as a cryptic nation, a living darknet; resilience judo as a spiritual calling; subversion of institutions; transformation of the world’d discarded or debased professions into the most esteemed and powerful.

as for israel, a lot of secular jews don’t give a shit. its demise is probably assured. but this is also perhaps the world’s most fiercely committed democracy, an rc in its own right — and one with nuclear weapons and potential total mobilization. seeded by the world’s first and finest terrorists.

white nationalists, in their wettest dreams, can only wish to emulate the stern gang.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 01:59 AM

El said in reply to mittelwerk…

Mittlewerk, really, no one gives the slightest rat shit about your notions of Goyim and Jewish supremacy.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 07:03 AM

abprosper said in reply to mittelwerk…

Troll baiting can be a productive sport sometimes.

A little light reading on the US Jewish issue

The Vanishing American Jew: In Search of Jewish Identity for the Next Century: Alan-M.-Dershowitz

http://www.amazon.com/Vanishing-American-Jew-Identity-Century/dp/0684848988

Dershowitz writes powerfully about his fear that, with nothing to struggle against and no powerful motivation to maintain traditions, American secular Jews will, within a few generations, lose their Jewishness. The author writes from a privileged position: raised an Orthodox Jew, he embraced secular Judaism in his young adulthood and thus comes equipped with an intimate understanding of what he has chosen to reject and accept. Though Dershowitz has no definitive answers for the problem of The Vanishing American Jew, the questions he raises may be the first step in discovering a solution.

The dirty secret is the only reason there are many Jews anywhere save the US or in deep hiding is outside intervention against the actions of Nazis, who were well– White Nationalists

As for the current strident American White Nationalists, your description of them is actually pretty good.

However a number of things are working in their favor

#1 longer term racial backlash (this is perceived as Obama’s depression)

#2 tribalism (when times get tough, people tribe up with their own kinds )

#2 erosion of media influence (its all on the Internet now) and a huge pool of Christian Identity types and disposed white guys who while they will never be “soldiers for the cause” certainly won’t mind a White nation

A nice example of cross-over here

‘Yup, I’m a racist’ t-shirts sold at Lexington’s July 4th Festival

http://www.examiner.com/x-12278-Louisville-Independent-Examiner~y2010m7d3-Yup-Im-a-racist-tshirts-sold-at-Lexingtons-July-4th-Festival

Now these shirts are more “Constitutional Conservative slogans with a twist” but I can’t imagine anyone daring to make or buy these shirts even in irony in say 1994 (the last militia boom)

What this suggests to me is an erosion of social controls and a weakness that can and will be exploited.

As for your previous comments on subsistence,if things keep going the way they are, thats all any of us (save that magic 10%) will have anyway.

The rich get richer, everyone gets pulls out of the system or gets poorer. I you have been near the bottom and stay about where you were (or maybe get a tiny bit better off in your resilient community) than you’ll be far better off than some former middle class guy with a butt job.

Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 06:43 PM

PRCalDude said in reply to abprosper…

Most “white nationalists” are not Christian Identity Stormfronters (who are repulsive to most normal people) – they’re people that grew up having diversity forced down their throat in some way or another and finally experienced a tipping point of cognitive dissonance with the diversity PC thought-rules.

For instance, I was raised in a lilly-white suburb of a certain southwestern state and was taught by both parents and teachers that, “RACISM IS BAD, M’KAAAAAY?” When I graduated college and started having regular negative experiences with diversity and realized I was paying tax dollars to be outbred of the state of my birth, my beliefs in the merits of diversity collapsed like a house of cards.

Most normal, sane people do not keep believing a lie when all their experience and all the evidence they seen with their lying eyes points in the opposite direction.

On top of all that, non-whites do not believe in diversity and do not practice it. Mexicans typically hire only other Mexicans. Jews typically hire only other Jews. Hindu doctors refer to other Hindus. There are exceptions, but exceptions prove the rule. When society becomes diverse, this type of ethnocentric behavior only increases as each group tries to carve out its own niche.

People like Mittelwerk, in fact, project their own racism onto white middle Americans with their various slurs. In practice, Jews are rabidly ethnocentric (and hostile towards white goys) and a good deal of the bad feeling towards Jews by non-Jews stems from this behavior. Many people need a scapegoat and Jews have often been that scapegoat. But they’ve also done quite a bit to antagonize normal people into disliking them, especially when they maintain disproportionate amounts of influence in certain rather-important sectors (government, the judiciary, Hollywood, etc) and promote mostly within their own ethnicity.

So, in summary, most normal people form opinions based on personal experience and only read MacDonald later if they’re really, really interested in why certain people behave the way they do and want a history of it.

If New York really is full of guys like this mittelwerk character, New York can draft its own regional military to get revenge the next time it’s bombed. The middle-American whites who form the disproportionate amount of the combat deaths and maimings need to start staying home.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 09:18 PM

mittelwerk said in reply to PRCalDude…

thanks for puking out your banalities about race — as if no one could see them coming a mile off. basically, your deepest convictions amount to feeble, self-pitying whining about darkies.

you confess that you’re an upper-middle-class pussy, evidently from arizona, who probably only comes in contact with mexicans when they’re bending over your toilet — and yet, you just can’t get them damn wetbacks out of your mind.

and then you bitch about taxes — even though your family’s marginal tax rates have been precipitously declining for decades, as the tax code has steadily regressed, and even though it’s bullshit anyway that that money goes to niggers alone — as opposed to oil companies and agribusiness and social security and wars. and the new white food-stamp class.

basically, your experience of oppression is largely abstract, that is, irrational. i mean, what the fuck? move to a different neighborhood. like this country has any shortage of de facto segregated, lilywhite suburbs to live in?

and your ideas about jews … “disproportionate influence” in the movie biz? lol. why the fuck not — they built it. like brando had to have a fucking gun held to his head to study under stella adler? like jews wouldn’t make good lawyers, academics, scientists … ever heard the expression “people of the book,” moron? exegesis as the dominant learning style?

here’s a nice page refuting everything you’ve ever believed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_Jewish_culture#Professions_associated_with_Jews

i’m going wait for you under your bed. i’m going to eat your fucking children and make shitty wine out of their blood.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 11:40 PM

sonic said in reply to mittelwerk…

Speaking of which, you should read the book “Passovers of Blood: The Jews of Europe and Ritual Murders” by Ariel Toaff. The book was published in 2007 but was pulled from circulation due to controversy and pressure.

It’s available as a full PDF: http://www.israelshamir.net/BLOODPASSOVER.pdf

Israel Shamir has written a couple interesting articles regarding the book and the controversy surrounding it:

http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Eng11.htm

http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Eng13.htm

Shamir writes,

“Dr Toaff is the son of the Rabbi of Rome and a professor in the Jewish University of Bar Ilan, not far from Tel Aviv. He made a name for himself by his deep study of medieval Jewry. His three-volumed Love, Work, and Death (subtitled Jewish Life in Medieval Umbria) is an encyclopaedia of this admittedly narrow area. While studying his subject he discovered that the medieval Ashkenazi Jewish communities of North Italy practiced a particularly horrible form of human sacrifice. Their wizards and adepts stole and crucified Christian babies, obtained their blood and used it for magical rituals evoking the Spirit of Vengeance against the hated Goyim.”
Reply Wednesday, 07 July 2010 at 12:07 AM
John Walters said in reply to sonic…

Thank you, sonic, for leading the discussion back toward scholarship.

I have long wanted to write concerning the arguments in that field of history, but I have had some other priorities lately. I’ll bookmark those pages and try to write about them later.
Reply Wednesday, 07 July 2010 at 01:52 AM

PRCalDude said in reply to mittelwerk…

Do you act this way in real life, or are you just a complete psychopath on the internet?
Reply Wednesday, 07 July 2010 at 12:41 AM

mittelwerk said in reply to abprosper…

you’re pointing a jew — albeit a secular, atheistic one, who speaks no hebrew — to dershowitz, like you’ve discovered something. he’s not really taken seriously — anymore than you would take, say, thomas friedman, seriously.

i’m 3rd generation secular jew, from new york. everyone i know, everyone my family knew, has been secular for as long as i remember. and it’s not like you have to stretch to identify our “jewishness” — which is much more of a cultural dispensation, in the same way italian- or irish-american is a cultural dispensation with no specific rational necessity. they simply like their style — their food, looks, church, prejudices — in the same way jews like their thinking, humor, assertiveness.

if you want to know something about jewish culture, especially assimilated jewish culture in the US, and if you want to stop acting like jews are some sort of historic flash in the pan, maybe you should read this (written by a quintessential european conservative, a catholic reactionary:

http://www.amazon.com/History-Jews-Paul-M-Johnson/dp/0060915331
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 11:12 PM

PRCalDude said in reply to mittelwerk…

Nope, I think we’ve gotten enough from you right here. Thanks.
Reply Wednesday, 07 July 2010 at 12:43 AM

John Walters said…

‘ the white-supremacist vision for, uh, supremacy in the 21st century?’

“White” supremacism is limited to Talmudic Jews who see Europeans as livestock and Jews as true “whites.”

You’re the Talmudic supremacist here, you might as well stop using the word “white” when you don’t mean it.
Reply Saturday, 03 July 2010 at 12:14 AM

JohnG said…

I was visiting with a Professor of US Latin American studies (yes they have it as a full status major University program) and he gets alot of work doing census stats bread and butter work. I said “well the Latin migration into the US is the biggest demographic shift in my lifetime.” He said “No, in US history!” He said they are forecasting at least 30% Spanish speaking in a less than a generation time so I guess thats like a 20 year out forecast. That is the majority group in the US.
Big problems he mentioned like “well they are really disenfranchised, undereducated, trained, etc. etc. and combined with our other disenfranchised it is staggering.” So you have to keep the dynamics of all South of the US border in mind and that includes everything in SA like Dirty Wars, Sons of the Dictatorship (only with US twists. turns and nomenclature of course) total credit defaults, hyperinflation, waves of kidnapping, etc. Sons of the Dictatorship is really interesting because they inadvertently created a super criminal class by throwing decent educated and upper level intellectuals in prison. Ahhh, that will fix them! Nope. Different than the Russian Gulag in Brazil. They formed a happy alliance with the criminals along with some of the military types then trained and educated a big new class.
Reply Saturday, 03 July 2010 at 11:59 PM

John Walters said…

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/07/03/ecuador.drug.submarine/index.html?npt=NP1&fbid=wJeMBu1l-aL

(CNN) — A fully functional submarine built for the primary purpose of transporting massive amounts of cocaine has been seized by Ecuadorean authorities with the help of U.S. drug enforcement agents.
A drug-trafficking organization built the sea-worthy vessel that is now being held near the border of Ecuador and Colombia, and one individual has been taken into custody, authorities said. The investigation into the group and the submarine, which was seized Friday, is ongoing.
“This is the first seizure of a clandestinely constructed fully operational submarine built to facilitate trans-oceanic drug trafficking,” the Drug Enforcement Administration said in a statement.
The vessel utilized twin screws and was diesel electric-powered, the agency said. It was about 30 meters (98 feet) long and nearly 3 meters (nine feet) high from the deck plates to the ceiling. It has a periscope and an air-conditioning system.
“Traffickers historically employed slow-moving fishing boats, sail boats, pleasure craft go-fasts,” said Jay Bergman, Andean regional director for the agency. “The advent of the narco-submarine presents new detection challenges for maritime interdiction forces. The submarine’s nautical range, payload capacity and quantum leap in stealth have raised the stakes for the counter-drug forces and the national security community alike.”
The submarine was constructed in a “remote jungle environment in an effort to elude law enforcement or military interdiction,” the agency said.
Acting on intelligence, Ecuadorean authorities were able to seize the vessel for before its maiden voyage, the statement said.
Reply Sunday, 04 July 2010 at 04:51 AM

g48 said in reply to John Walters…

Good catch, and very interesting stuff.

Another obvious step in the evolution of smuggling would be to make those submersibles totally autonomous, and GPS-guided. Yet another possibility would be GPS-guided dirigibles made of stealth materials to evade radar.

Cocaine and meth are the most problematic drugs from a policy perspective. Marijuana can simply be legalized, taxed, and regulated, in the same manner as tobacco. Opiates (heroin etc.) create addiction, but opiate addicts are for the most part passive, committing crimes only when needed to get their fixes: make the stuff cheap and that problem goes away. Stimulants on the other hand, increase the level of criminal behavior way beyond the minimum needed to keep up the supply; for example meth produces paranoid schizophrenia, which leads to violent acts.

I’m beginning to think that legalizing everything except the stimulants (coke, crack, meth) is a viable answer, and then focusing LE effort on the stimulants. Legalizing everything else would remove the revenue sources that are the day to day bread & butter of criminal organizations, so they would fight over the stimulants market, and in doing so, would become vulnerable to being taken out.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 03:16 AM

JohnG said…

Re. Resilient communities. As a good SA example Chile, and Argentina have been doing this for quite a long time.
For an good example…
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/paul-schfer-nazi-colonel-who-established-an-antisemitic-colony-in-chile-after-the-war-1981014.html

Brazil has plenty and with more than just Odessa Germans.
This goes way back to the old Quilombos which are really interesting and influential in the Afro/Indian mix culture. Really a different and effective model of resiliency in the new world. From a military standpoint of course you must consider the actions of Simon Bolivar and his solutions to some of these new world issues that were not possible in the US.
Reply Sunday, 04 July 2010 at 11:01 AM

John Minehan said…

Isn’t the first question: Why IS there a city of Maywood at all, instead of a lrger city of Bell that includes Maywood?
Reply Sunday, 04 July 2010 at 06:15 PM

Bailey said…

Theres more history of maywood and its change in demographics at numbers usa and VDARE I believe
Reply Sunday, 04 July 2010 at 09:09 PM

John Walters said…

‘Sons of the Dictatorship is really interesting because they inadvertently created a super criminal class by throwing decent educated and upper level intellectuals in prison. Ahhh, that will fix them! Nope. Different than the Russian Gulag in Brazil. They formed a happy alliance with the criminals along with some of the military types then trained and educated a big new class.’

That is a very relevant and interesting point of fact.

I have no knowledge of “Sons of the Dictatorship.”

Could you point us to some links or other info on that topic?
Reply Sunday, 04 July 2010 at 09:57 PM

dagezhu said…

mittelwerk wrote:
‘ a closeted christian antisemite with a fetishistic appreciation of mass murder?’

PRCalDude was obviously criticizing indiscriminate violence when he wrote:
‘I welcome our new Judenreich and look forward to being moved onto an autonomous kulak oblast.’

He was comparing himself to a *kulak*. There is no reasonable argument that he was displaying admiration for mass murder – he was portraying himself as a potential kulak, a potential peasant victim of mass murderers.

And meanwhile, those of you who care more about guerrilla war than flame-war will be interested in a massive weapons seizure 140 miles from the USA border:

http://www.fusionfx.net/index.php/2010/06/30/look-what-they-found-near-the-texas-and-mexico-border/
Reply Monday, 05 July 2010 at 02:57 AM

mittelwerk said…

but i guess it’s “reasonable” that pr and his buddies in the affluent farming class are going to be exterminated by jews.

the 2% figure refers to the approximate jewish population of the u.s. 1938 refers to kristallnacht.

so, basically, fuck you.
Reply Monday, 05 July 2010 at 05:04 AM

PRCalDude said in reply to mittelwerk…

1938 refers to the year Stalin decided to purge all of the Jews after they’d done so much to put the Bolsheviks in power. They were a small percentage of the population in the USSR too.

You should really read “200 Years Together” if you can find an English translation and bone up on your Soviet history – it’ll help you on your next troll job.

Your not smart enough to be Jewish. You write poorly and your reading comprehension is abysmal. Like I said, good job trolling but you’ve overplayed your hand.
Reply Monday, 05 July 2010 at 04:23 PM
PRCalDude said in reply to PRCalDude…

*You’re
Reply Monday, 05 July 2010 at 04:37 PM

mittelwerk said in reply to PRCalDude…

“Your not smart enough to be Jewish”

wow, it functions almost exactly like penis envy.

“*You’re”

why are all antisemites anal-retentive?

too bad,, pr, you would have made an awesome minor nazi functionary in swabia. now you’ll have to settle for night manager at sam’s club.
Reply Monday, 05 July 2010 at 10:14 PM

El said in reply to mittelwerk…

Robb, you mind banning this obvious troll? Piss off Mittlewerk, you closet Stalinist scumbag.
Reply Monday, 05 July 2010 at 04:31 PM

mittelwerk said in reply to El…

tough talk.
Reply Monday, 05 July 2010 at 10:15 PM

dagezhu said…

‘ i guess it’s “reasonable” that pr and his buddies in the affluent farming class are going to be exterminated by jews.’

Your lack of empathy for white people is noted with regret.

I will pray for the intercession of José María Arizmendiarrieta to open your heart to the true love of resilient communities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Arizmendiarrieta
Reply Monday, 05 July 2010 at 06:16 AM

John Walters said…

SV has made two vague claims:
1) SV has claimed that Putnam’s _Bowling Alone_ does not say what PRCalDude claims.
2) SV has claimed that SV’s unnamed part of Texas has overcome the racial divide.

I could dispute these claims in detail if SV would specify:

1) What exactly Putnam’s _Bowling Alone_ does prove; and
2) Where exactly in Texas SV has witnessed racial utopia.
Reply Monday, 05 July 2010 at 08:27 PM

John Walters said…

On the topic of Putnam:
http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2007/06/bad-news-on-the-diversity-fron_comments.html

has comments from both Steve Sailer and Bob Putnam himself.

Basically, Putnam’s detractors claim that Putnam is trying hard to spin the data to arrive at pro-diversity conclusions, and Putnam himself tries to avoid that charge.

Putnam writes:
I’m interested in many of the substantive points that posters have made here. However, Leo’s article is, on one important point, utterly inaccurate. His claim that I intentionally held back on releasing our findings is demonstrably false.
In fact, within weeks of getting the original survey results in early 2001 (six years ago) I issued a national press release describing our preliminary findings in detail. (You can see that press release at http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/saguaro/communitysurvey/results_pr.html; see especially the long section entitled “the opportunity and challenge of diversity.”) That press release was covered at the time in many publications, including the LA Times, the Atlanta Journal Constitution, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, and so on, often quoting me specifically about the diversity-distrust connection. The SF Chronicle of March 1, 2001, for example, quoted me as follows (See http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/03/01/MNW204918.DTL): “Places that are ethnically diverse and that have large numbers of recent immigrants are places that have greater challenges in building connections because people feel more isolated there,” Putnam said. “And that’s not just along racial lines, [but] generalized social isolation.” And a few months later in 2001 (just as soon as the data had been cleaned) we made the full, raw data-set publicly available to anyone through the Roper Center data archive. (http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/data_access/data/datasets/social_capital_community_survey.html.) Over the last six years, those data have become one of the most widely-used data-sets in the social sciences, downloaded and analyzed by hundreds of other researchers. Finally, contrary to Leo’s claim, we have not “published only an initial summary” of our findings, but an elaborate 38-page journal article, packed with charts, statistics and methodological details, and as I have said, the raw original data have been publicly available for six years, an invitation to early scrutiny that is almost unprecedented in social science. In short, this story is the exact opposite of suppressing results.
Leo may or may not like our results, but it is both false and irresponsible for him to claim that we have suppressed them or delayed making them public.
Bob Putnam

Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2007/06/bad-news-on-the-diversity-fron_comments.html#ixzz0ssBE8Zm5
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 12:23 AM

dagezhu said…

‘since the white nationalists that self-identify are highly fragmented, have no coherent, indeed, rational ideology,’

http://american3p.org/

I guess that the American Third Position party just has “white ethnic advocates,” then, and no “white nationalists.”

As for being “highly fragmented,” the question is whether they work together for the good of their group.

The Jews, for example, are highly diversified, and they often make a lot of noise about minor divisions in personal style. And yet, they often act in a decentralized, cooperative manner to promote Jewish ethnic genetic interests.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 02:44 AM

mittelwerk said in reply to dagezhu…

“ethnic genetic interests”

so, it is true that you and prcaldude are giving each reacharounds out back after kevin macdonald lectures at the long beach ramada inn.

group selection theory = wholly discredited, most significantly, by the actual originators of evolutionary psychology.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 12:01 PM

MR said in reply to mittelwerk…

Group selection theory isn’t discredited. There are prominent evolutionary biologists such as David Sloan Wilson who support it.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 01:02 PM

mittelwerk said in reply to MR…

sloppy, meant “group evolutionary strategy,” evo psych as applied to groups — what macdonald does. group selection theory is just evo biology, not controversial though not accepted by dawkins et al.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 06:27 PM

MR said in reply to mittelwerk…

Well then you’re still wrong. You don’t have to accept group selection theory, but if it’s valid, then the idea of group evolutionary strategy is an entirely valid concept.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 09:49 PM

mittelwerk said in reply to MR…

so why don’t you go into your little computer room and give us the references to academic literature supporting it?
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 10:35 PM

John Walters said…

http://wp.me/pXtxQ-4q

The UK finds that diversity at home leads to homegrown terrorists, according to report.

Suddenly a lack of diversity in my home community appears to improve its safety.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 05:26 AM

Tony said…

Markets are basically a force of nature. Robb’s on to something when he says modern conservatism is a pagan religion, worshipping a natural force.

Conservatives are like those guys who are really into grizzly bears. They go live with grizzly bears, they defend grizzly bears, they talk about how great grizzly bears are. This all goes great for years, until they get eaten by a grizzly bear.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 10:28 AM

John Walters said…

“Selfishness beats altruism
within groups. Altruistic groups beat selfish
groups. Everything else is commentary.”

http://evolution.binghamton.edu/dswilson/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Rethinking-sociobiology.pdf
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 02:39 PM

Panamericana said…

LINKS: JUL 6 2010

This (Pan)American Life: Social Contract
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/410/social-contract

check Act Two about Barbados, if not the rest too.

Entrepreneur Lane: JWH-081
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/JWH-018

Piracy:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/07/06/1659255/US-Pirate-Movie-Site-DNS-Seizure-Fail

Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 06:40 PM

Panamericana said…

Mit, you are tagged, dont you see it?
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 06:59 PM

John Walters said…

That’s odd, I was just reading “Group egoism; investigating collective
action and individual rationality,” by Jan Tullberg, and Macdonald was cited favorably.

So MacDonald is not *wholly* discredited. As long as he keeps getting cited by peer-reviewed literature, I think MacDonald has a lot more credibility than mittelwerk.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 08:22 PM

mittelwerk said…

since you’re such a devotee, why don’t you explain what macdonald does and why you consider it valid, instead of just mouthing off like a little pussy?
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 10:37 PM

John Walters said…

‘ i’m going to eat your fucking children and make shitty wine out of their blood.’

Would it be possible for us to refrain from threats of violence, even made in mockery?

I would like to be able to discuss things on a slightly less hostile level.
Reply Wednesday, 07 July 2010 at 01:47 AM

I respect John Robb’s decision to delete many of these comments, but such deletion, unfortunately, enables the dysfunctional behavior.

Notice that mittelwerk seemed to ignore all attempts at escalation, until finally he resorted to making threats.

i’m going wait for you under your bed. i’m going to eat your fucking children and make shitty wine out of their blood.
Reply Tuesday, 06 July 2010 at 11:40 PM

If mittelwerk is a non-Jew pretending to be a Jew, then he is an agent provocateur.

If, on the other hand, mittelwerk is an actual Jew, then he is intentionally, compulsively provoking anti-Jewish sentiment.

Such a compulsive provocation could be fruitfully analyzed in the context of Kevin MacDonald’s books, A People That Shall Dwell Alone and Separation and Its Discontents. In particular, SAID, Ch. 7, “Self-Deception as an Aspect of Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy,” might be relevant.

However, another participant suggested another book, Passovers of Blood, by Ariel Toaff.

sonic said in reply to mittelwerk…

Speaking of which, you should read the book “Passovers of Blood: The Jews of Europe and Ritual Murders” by Ariel Toaff. The book was published in 2007 but was pulled from circulation due to controversy and pressure.

It’s available as a full PDF: http://www.israelshamir.net/BLOODPASSOVER.pdf

Israel Shamir has written a couple interesting articles regarding the book and the controversy surrounding it:

http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Eng11.htm

http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Eng13.htm

Shamir writes,

“Dr Toaff is the son of the Rabbi of Rome and a professor in the Jewish University of Bar Ilan, not far from Tel Aviv. He made a name for himself by his deep study of medieval Jewry. His three-volumed Love, Work, and Death (subtitled Jewish Life in Medieval Umbria) is an encyclopaedia of this admittedly narrow area. While studying his subject he discovered that the medieval Ashkenazi Jewish communities of North Italy practiced a particularly horrible form of human sacrifice. Their wizards and adepts stole and crucified Christian babies, obtained their blood and used it for magical rituals evoking the Spirit of Vengeance against the hated Goyim.”
Reply Wednesday, 07 July 2010 at 12:07 AM

I find it fascinating that so illustrious a person as Israel Shamir would archive such a controversial book. From Shamir’s website, we can see his biography:

Israel Adam Shamir – biography

Israel Shamir is an internationally acclaimed radical spiritual and political thinker, Internet columnist and writer. His comments about current affairs and their deeper meaning are published on his site http://www.israelshamir.net and elsewhere. They are also collected in three books, Galilee Flowers, Cabbala of Power and recently published Masters of Discourse available in English, French, German, Spanish, Russian, Arabic, Norwegian, Swedish, Italian, Hungarian etc.

A native of Novosibirsk , Siberia, he moved to Israel in 1969, served as paratrooper in the army and fought in the 1973 war. After the war, he turned to journalism and writing. In 1975, Shamir joined the BBC and moved to London . In 1977-79 he lived in Japan . After returning to Israel in 1980, Shamir wrote for the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz, and was the Knesset spokesman for the Israel Socialist Party (Mapam). He translated and annotated the cryptic works of S.Y. Agnon, the only Hebrew Nobel Prize winning writer, from the original Hebrew into Russian. In 2006 his mammoth annotated translation of a medieval Hebrew classic Sefer Yohassin (The Book of Lineage) was published by Zacuto Books. Shamir also translated the Odyssey, and selected chapters of Joyce’s Ulysses.

But Palestine , its sad history and enchanting landscape remained his most important subject. His views were summed up in The Pine and the Olive, the story of Palestine/Israel, published in 1988 and republished in 2004, and became a cult book among the readers. The second Palestinian Intifada turned Shamir to his highly political and poetic pieces centred on Palestine . As the battle for Palestine spilled over into Iraq , Shamir wrote more about the deeper, philosophical and theological meaning of the war. In 2004 he was received in the Orthodox Church of Jerusalem and Holy Land , being baptised Adam by Archbishop Theodosius Attalla Hanna. Shamir (60) lives in Jaffa and spends much time in Moscow and Stockholm ; he is father of three sons.


http://www.israelshamir.net/Biography.htm

Shamir has the full book online. And because the Internet works like a giant network of photocopiers, the book will probably be on the Internet as long as there’s a functioning Internet.

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